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Esther Payne :bisexual_flag:

I've had concerns for a while about the direction the #OSI has been going with AI for a while. The publishing of the #OSAID weakens the #OpenSourceDefinition.

I'm not a member but the definition does require community participation in terms of the licences we choose and how we advocate for Open Source.

The recent board elections showed a disturbing pattern of obfuscation. We need to be able to trust Organisations that are meant to safeguard what Open source is.

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Holger Dyroff

@johnmark what do you expect when you ask for action? OSI has pushed out OSAID - which demands full transparency- but is still met with the almost impossible demand for only free data behind AI models. While Red Gat execs now call Llama 4 OSS which is obviously wrong. IMHO we must opposed open washing and embrace #osaid now

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Mark Dingemanse

Interesting to see #OSI manufacture a problem about people reaching out to others, saying they should rather do this "on our forums where we provide community management and moderation support" lwn.net/SubscriberLink/1014603

Last I checked (during the #OSAID snafu Sep/Oct 2024), the OSI forums were so tightly moderated that no sane and open discussion could take place anymore. The crackdown was very effective in letting reform-minded community members know their contributions weren't welcome

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Candidates can engage with their fellow affiliates on our forums where we provide community management and moderation support, and in other public settings where our affiliates have opted to sign up and publicly engage.
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Brett Sheffield (he/him)

The #OSI 's one job is to protect and promote #OpenSource and the Open Source Definition (OSD). Undermining that definition with the weakened #OSAID has alienated much of the Open Source community, myself included.

I had hoped that might be turned around, but this year's reform candidates were likely the last chance to see that happen.

Watching the OSI promoting corporate sponsors was concerning, but this year's blatant election manipulation is the final straw.

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Brett Sheffield (he/him)

They say to never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.

Unfortunately this year's @osi board elections go way beyond that point.

The current Executive Director is leading #OSI in a direction the community don't want to follow with #OSAID. By changing the rules as you go along in this year's election to exclude candidates who want to reform the OSI you have destroyed any remaining trust.

You shat the bed. It's time to change the sheets.

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Giacomo Tesio
@ramin_hal9001@fe.disroot.org

I think #RMS was (is?) unable to really abstract away from his roots as an American grow up during #ColdWar.

If he was, he would have been more explicit in looking for a syntesis between #freedom and #communion as foundational model for #FreeSoftware.

I think I got a better ethical model with the #HackingLicense: https://encrypted.tesio.it/documents/HACK.txt

There the two values that dominated 20th century history (and rhetorics) are pillars built on top of a third one, #hacker's #curiosity that provides a dynamic balance among the two (and a third one, candor, intended as intellectual honesty, that is honestly sharing your perspective and knowledge).

So while a think that a second fork from free software is actually needed (the first being #opensource, that as #OSAID made cristal clear, was solely a corporate tactic to exploit #hackers' labour while marginalizing them), I don't think it can be solely based on either freedom (like liberalism) or communion (like communism and socialism) but it need a new set of values to build upon.

Unfortunately, largely due to influence of the US rhetorics since the Marshal Plan, most hackers lack political awareness.

Which is a common issue among most oppressed people these days, but it's something even more dangerous when their skills are used to build weapons (including surveillance and manipulation tools) that furter help oppressors to oppress them and everybody else.

Yet I'm afraid the international socialist movement is completely missing all of these cultural, political and cybernetic dynamics and it's unlikely to evolve beyond 1900, neither in culture nor in methods or tech.

In Italy, for example, all largest unions, #CGIL, #CISL and #UIL, are completely under US BigTech surveillance.

@garbados@friend.camp
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Bradley M. Kuhn

@pchestek

Interesting. How does #OpenSource Initiative gain standing to bring a false advertising claim? Is there an article on #OSI's site that explains this enforcement mechanism & plan in detail? (And apologies I missed it until now!)

& is it on the #OSAID roadmap to bring false advertising claims against companies who have products they're calling "open source AI"?

If it is in the roadmap, I feel the community should have been told that during OSAID drafting.

Cc: @richardfontana

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Michael Downey 🧢

:opensource: Interesting platform from @bkuhn & @richardfontana for the upcoming Open Source Initiative board election:

1️⃣ Repeal the Open Source AI Definition (OSAID)
2️⃣ Adopt a process for formal review of previously approved licenses
3️⃣ Remove “code of silence” from Board Member Agreement
4️⃣ Directors should be allowed to use FOSS for Board activities

:opensourceparrot: This would have my vote. What about you?

floss.social/@bkuhn/1140724002

FLOSS.socialBradley M. Kuhn (@bkuhn@floss.social)I am a candidate for the “Affiliate” seat in the 2025 #OpenSource Initiative (OSI) Board of Directors election. I am running on a Shared Platform for OSI Reform with @richardfontana@mastodon.social You can read that shared platform here: https://codeberg.org/OSI-Reform-Platform/platform#readme I will post news and updates about the campaign here and on this blog post (that will be updated regularly until the voting closes): https://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2025/02/28/osi-board-election.html
#OpenSource#OSI#OSAID
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Sam Johnston

In any case, WTF is a California-based organisation like @osi doing with a submarine GMT deadline? There's still absolutely no justification for this, except to censor the most important channel of all: elections.

Were I eligible to run I'd have left it to the last minute too, to incorporate all available information like the #FOSDEM revelation that they consider #OSAID 1.0 "too restrictive" and want more corporations for 2.0 which will water #OpenSource #AI down EVEN MORE.

@onepict @dentangle

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Brett Sheffield (he/him)

In any process where you are talking about "stakeholders", if any of your stakeholders are not individual human beings, you need to think deeper.

A corporation is never a stakeholder.

The only reason to care about a corporation or other org is because of the real people that it might affect. The employees, perhaps. The customers, sometimes. *Those* are your stakeholders.

If one of your "stakeholders" is a trillion dollar corporation, you really are on the wrong path.

#OSAID#OpenSource
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Parafestas Nikos

@sj Thank you for sharing the article.
My stance, though, remains the same.
A program ("AI" included) is either free or not free.
This binary approach helped #freesoftware to keep it's meaning. #OSAID and, because of it #opensource now as well, are being exploited by big tech in order to deceive users and governments (who are willing to be fooled - like the EU), that their systems are transparent.
In my view, Open Weight Definition doesn't seem to hep this struggle for clarity.

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Parafestas Nikos

@kirschner Two observations:
1)@osi should respond to Llama v3.1 as it is aggressively advertised as opensource by META. The, single author, blog post is for v2 and isn't even a statement...
2)The (1st) article was written 13 years ago - we must respond to what history taught us. opensource is now influenced by big tech in unprecedented ways. Advances in ML (and #OSAID) are widening the gap between #freesoftware and #opensource. I feel that using both terms is highly misleading fsf@hostux.social

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Parafestas Nikos

Ο #osaid (σ.σ. ορισμός για την «ΤΝ ανοιχτού κώδικα») αντί να ζητάει όλα τα δεδομένα να είναι ανοιχτά - περιορίζεται στο να «καλύπτεται» με μια απλή περιγραφή τους.
Γιατί αυτό είναι τόσο σημαντικό; Γιατί αν δεν έχεις ΟΛΑ τα data του μοντέλου, δεν μπορείς να είσαι (καθόλου) σίγουρος/η για το πως αυτό λειτουργεί.
Στο #Fossdem την προηγούμενη εβδομάδα μάλωνα με «αξιωματούχους της Ε.Ε.» που λέγανε ότι αυτό είναι «απαραίτητο κακό».
Σήμερα η κατάσταση έχει πλέον ξεφύγει[1] και ο καθένας λέει ότι θέλει.

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Parafestas Nikos

#OSAID practically died today in #fossdem . During the talk "When is an AI system free/open?" it was severely criticized, even by people working at Amazon, IBM and the USA government. But OSAID wasn't a slip-up but rather a systemic outcome. #opensource demotes freedom over being "corporate friendly". This lead in the unmemorable presentation "How Does Heinz Have 80% of a Commodity Market?" which claimed that copyleft restricted freedom and that software trademarks are being misunderstood!!!

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Parafestas Nikos

#OSAID practically died today in #fossdem . During the talk "When is an AI system free/open?" it was severely criticized, even by people working at Amazon, IBM and the USA government. But OSAID wasn't a slip-up but rather a systemic outcome. #opensource demotes freedom over being "corporate friendly". This lead in the unmemorable presentation "How Does Heinz Have 80% of a Commodity Market?" which claimed that copyleft restricted freedom and that software trademarks are misunderstood!!!

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