@wauz @werawelt @ramichaelseidlitz es ist leider nicht erkennbar was das mit dem heutigen #deltachat zu tun hat. Alle, die auf #chatmail onboarden, können weder klartextnachrichten schicken noch empfangen. Deine argumente klingen so generisch dass sie auf praktisch jeden messenger zutreffen und auch auf das internet protocol (IP) selbst. Muss aber jetzt nicht ausdiskutiert werden.

@rakoo @cy yeah, tho @thunderbird nowadays has #OpenPGP / #GPG - support built in ( #Enigmail ) and that just works.

• But @delta / #deltaChat does make things way easier for "#TechIlliterate #Normies" and provides them with a familiar #UI & #UX from other #Messengers whilst also not requiring "yet another #server / #service" to be spun up, which is a major no-no in many organizations, espechally #businesses.

• Whereas DeltaChat using #eMail as it's backbone infrastructure works fine, and that is an important point for it like #business use [i.e. #Germany] where all business communications have to be archived for at least 10 years for tax auditability reasons, and the whole #MailArchival issue has been "solved" by multiple providers and solutions so it makes sense to just do a +chat suffix, filter said messages and have them in the same #inbox as all other eMails.

I just wished #Thunderbird would also support displaying such chats similar to deltaChat to provide a #unified experience across platforms...

@delta / #deltaChat is not using #XMPP+#OMEMO (unlike #monoclesChat & #gajim) but #PGP/MIME on regular #eMail,

@debby @monocles @Stuxhost well, @delta / #deltaChat is not using #XMPP+#OMEMO (unlike #monoclesChat & #gajim) but #PGP/MIME on regular #eMail, which makes it way easier to setup in organizations as not "yet another server needed" and also easier to comply with mandatory #archival laws in #business use-cases.

• #Session & #Signal, like #Telegram & #WhatsApp, do not have their #backend #opensource|d nor allow #SelfHosting and demand #PII like #PhoneNumbers for registration if not useage for no valid reason. Plus they are not just able but obviously willing to snitch on their users (something neither DeltaChat nor monocles chat demand or even can as both do 100% #SelfCustody of all the keys!)

• As for #sustainability, monocles is financed by #subscribers (they charge like €2 p.m. for mail & chat) and they can be paid completely anonymously (#Monero & #CashByMail!), whereas #Signal is a #MoneyBurningParty which engages in #Shitcoin-#Scams (see #MobileCoin!) for no valid reason…

@kkarhan @monocles @Stuxhost @delta Thank you for your valuable input! It's always enlightening to hear different perspectives on communication tools.
#Linphone Firstly, I appreciate the mention of Linphone. It is indeed a great tool, and I should have included it in my list. Linphone stands out for its versatility and strong support for various communication protocols, making it a robust option for both personal and professional use.

#DeltaChat is new to me, and I am eager to give it a try. However, I am curious: is it just another XMPP client, or does it offer unique features that set it apart? Generally, I prefer les feature-rich clients because I often use just simple text and voice communication. For my personal use case, XMPP is fine when it is compatible with TTS (Text-to-Speech). You're right that IRC and XMPP have their strengths, but I am always on the lookout for tools that I can offer to regular users.

#Signal and Session are both backed by single entities but prioritize user privacy. Personally, I don't have enough experience to delve deeply into the pros and cons of Signal and Session. A significant limitation of Signal is that I can't build the app from source code, and as far as I know, there is no real way to run it on a server OS—it's only available on iOS, Android, and via Waydroid on Linux, with wayland GUI. At least Session is working on x86 architectures. In general, I think both are useful for mainstream users due to their familiar interfaces and ease of use. While Signal and Session do a good job with privacy, they may not be the most secure options, and they certainly don't rank high on the Free Software scale. Would you agree with my evaluation, or could you elaborate on your criticism?

#Matrix is designed to be decentralized and open, allowing users to host their own servers. This decentralization provides greater control over data and enhances privacy. Comparing Matrix to XMPP+OMEMO might oversimplify its capabilities, as Matrix offers advanced features like cross-platform interoperability and robust end-to-end encryption. It's open-source, and I haven't seen any obvious problems with it. Could you elaborate on your thoughts about Matrix?

@debby #Mumble, #IRC, #XMPP (+OMEMO = @gajim / #monoclesChat) & #Linphone (#SIP / #VoIP) are the better options. #NextcloudTalk also exist and @monocles as well as @Stuxhost offer that.

• #Signal and #Session are #proprietary, #centralized, #SingleVendor & #SingleProvider solutions!

• And #Matrix is just a shittier #XMPP+#OMEMO. Give @delta / #DeltaChat a try instead.

OfC #JitsiMeet and #WebCall are also great!

https://webcall.timur.mobi

@tuxicoman@jesuislibre.net
Pas mal mais l'interface pourrait-être plus claire … Perso je préfère #DeltaChat @delta qui est plus simple de fonctionnement et tout aussi securit

@triskelion @soatok @signalapp #deltachat is very good alternative of telegram, but it still support calls as experimental feature

@pvagner not the least because @WofWca @treefit @r10s and @adbenitez care for #deltachat #a11y for some years now

@scott @peter if you need any advise or support let us know :) We particular recommend onboarding with a pre-existing group because then the biggest roadblock, "who can I chat with", is mitigated. Many families, little orgs and ad-hoc groups like attendees in a conference talk, successfully started using #deltachat this way and particularly appreciated #webxdc apps that provide an in-chat interactive experience.